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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
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Pascal
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+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a
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Michael Hoffmann
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+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
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vikino
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+xHi all
If anybody is connecting the BT receiver to the TruTrak 385 autopilot, I would be interested to hear. It's currently getting GPS feed from an old and useless AvMap Geo Pilot II+ that I would like to replace It seems that it may need engineer from avionics specialist but I would like to do it myself (flying non certified) because from what I see on Skydemon manual, it seems pretty simple. Pins connecting to Ground on both side, Rx Pin on autopilot connecting to Tx on BT receiver. On Irxon BT578, pin 5 is Gd and 3 is Tx, and it can't be rewired. So it probably means to create a RS232 cable if rewired is needed on autopilot RS232. It may be better anyway to avoid plugging the BT receiver directly to the avionics (thinking that it may be a pain if anything has to be done on the receiver if not easily accessible). Any recommandation on the type of wire/cable to be used if needed (shield?)
thanks You can swap rx/tx with M/F switch on irxon, but off course is better to solder simple wiring...
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zooyork
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Forget my last post. The problem has been identified. Thanks to user Michael Hoffmann for the clarification. If I had read the thread carefully I would have come across this post from user meofly: "The HM-18 is outputting TTL serial, hence I added a MAX3232 converter to provide the proper RS232 levels the radio expects."
This is also true for HM-10 and probably most of the adapters.
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zooyork
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Hello,
first off, thank you for including such a nice feature! Now to my problem  ... Since several people reported that the DSD TECH bluetooth adapters work also fine, I ordered them as well. And in my opinion I did almost everything to get it working, but is is not.
My setup: DSD Tech HM-10 Trig TY 96 (to test the feature in the aircraft) Trig TY 91 (to test the feature at the bench)
What is done and working: - HM-10 connect succesfully to skydemon - wiring done correctly to serial inferface of the radios - I also tested the setup using my computer and a serial monitor (e.g. for clicking on the Bournemouth Approach frequency 119,480 in Skydemon I receive the following message $PGRMC01GC014< on my serial monitor)
What is not working: When I do this with my Trig radios.
What I think what could be the problem: The DSD Tech adapters can not handle a power supply of 5V from a different source than ground and rx signals are coming from. My usb-serial converter which I use on my computer provides vcc, ground, rx, tx from one source which is my computer. For the Trig radios thats a different story since they do not offer 5V output. So you have to get the 5V from another souce in your aircraft and that does not work. Maybe I'm completley wrong.. For the Funke ATR833 radio this problem does not exsist, since it offers a 5V output on pin 24 and therefore all signals that go to the bluetooth adapter come from one single source which is the ATR833. So far im guessing that only the IRXON adapter works with Trig radios, since it has a internal battery and can accept powering from external source.
My questions would be: - Did someone succesfully connected a DSD TECH bluetooth adapter with a Trig radio? - Did someone sucessfully connected a DSD TECH bluetooth adapter that is powered externally to any of the other features Skydemon offers using this functionality (auto pilot commands, traffic / gps information)? - Is $PGRMC01GC014< the right received message to Bournemouth Approach frequency of 119,480?
Any feedback is much appreciated. Thank you!
Rob
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tobi
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+x+x+xAll,
I was very excited when I read about the feature in the Skydemon release note, went right into ordering parts and figured I share the experience here.
Top 1 priority for me was to get the radio (f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II) connected. So I designed a 3d case that perfectly fits on top of the original Sub-D connector housing and uses the existing screw holes (only needed slightly longer screws). Once mounted, it sits below the connector at the back of the radio and doesn't block anything else / basically uses the same space.
I decided to use a HM-18 BLE to serial module. It is very power efficient and therefore I could easily use the 5V the radio provides on the Sub-D connector. The HM-18 is outputting TTL serial, hence I added a MAX3232 converter to provide the proper RS232 levels the radio expects.
Put everything together and it worked right away. For me it's almost a killer feature in Skydemon as it makes my life so much more simple during flight.
A big thx to Tim and his team for adding this feature!
Hi moefly,
according to HM-18 datasheet the power supply voltage is from 1.9V to 3.7V. The ATR833 has 5V output. Do you use a voltage converter or do you just run out of specs?
Regards, Tobi
The same module is on Amazon uk for £12, it says Vcc is 3.6V to 6.0V. You're right. Thanks for the response. Even on DSD Tech homepage you'll find: Work voltage（VCC）: 3.6V to 6V TTL logic level (TX, RX): 3.3V But on the linked datasheet you'll read: Power: +1.9~3.7 VDC 50mA I'll just try it.
Thanks, Tobi
TTL logic level (TX, RX): 3.3V
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+x+xAll,
I was very excited when I read about the feature in the Skydemon release note, went right into ordering parts and figured I share the experience here.
Top 1 priority for me was to get the radio (f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II) connected. So I designed a 3d case that perfectly fits on top of the original Sub-D connector housing and uses the existing screw holes (only needed slightly longer screws). Once mounted, it sits below the connector at the back of the radio and doesn't block anything else / basically uses the same space.
I decided to use a HM-18 BLE to serial module. It is very power efficient and therefore I could easily use the 5V the radio provides on the Sub-D connector. The HM-18 is outputting TTL serial, hence I added a MAX3232 converter to provide the proper RS232 levels the radio expects.
Put everything together and it worked right away. For me it's almost a killer feature in Skydemon as it makes my life so much more simple during flight.
A big thx to Tim and his team for adding this feature!
Hi moefly,
according to HM-18 datasheet the power supply voltage is from 1.9V to 3.7V. The ATR833 has 5V output. Do you use a voltage converter or do you just run out of specs?
Regards, Tobi
The same module is on Amazon uk for £12, it says Vcc is 3.6V to 6.0V.
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tobi
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+xAll,
I was very excited when I read about the feature in the Skydemon release note, went right into ordering parts and figured I share the experience here.
Top 1 priority for me was to get the radio (f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II) connected. So I designed a 3d case that perfectly fits on top of the original Sub-D connector housing and uses the existing screw holes (only needed slightly longer screws). Once mounted, it sits below the connector at the back of the radio and doesn't block anything else / basically uses the same space.
I decided to use a HM-18 BLE to serial module. It is very power efficient and therefore I could easily use the 5V the radio provides on the Sub-D connector. The HM-18 is outputting TTL serial, hence I added a MAX3232 converter to provide the proper RS232 levels the radio expects.
Put everything together and it worked right away. For me it's almost a killer feature in Skydemon as it makes my life so much more simple during flight.
A big thx to Tim and his team for adding this feature!
Hi moefly,
according to HM-18 datasheet the power supply voltage is from 1.9V to 3.7V. The ATR833 has 5V output. Do you use a voltage converter or do you just run out of specs?
Regards, Tobi
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AlexLFDP
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Hi all
If anybody is connecting the BT receiver to the TruTrak 385 autopilot, I would be interested to hear. It's currently getting GPS feed from an old and useless AvMap Geo Pilot II+ that I would like to replace It seems that it may need engineer from avionics specialist but I would like to do it myself (flying non certified) because from what I see on Skydemon manual, it seems pretty simple. Pins connecting to Ground on both side, Rx Pin on autopilot connecting to Tx on BT receiver. On Irxon BT578, pin 5 is Gd and 3 is Tx, and it can't be rewired. So it probably means to create a RS232 cable if rewired is needed on autopilot RS232. It may be better anyway to avoid plugging the BT receiver directly to the avionics (thinking that it may be a pain if anything has to be done on the receiver if not easily accessible). Any recommandation on the type of wire/cable to be used if needed (shield?)
thanks
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